Frank has his autobiography available as an eBook or as an Audio program where you can learn about his journey. He was a man who was like so many other men. He was alone and confused and looking for answers. At his lowest point, Frank Kermit contemplated suicide if he could not reform his life. He worked hard to reform his life though, and over the years has transformed the lives of so many men and women who have discovered his work and have been forever changed because of it.
A review found on an online forum
I used to have a shy manner about me that repelled women, but women's cruelty toward me was the reason I was so shy and reluctant to approach them. This led me to have anger against women. So it was a vicious cycle. My best advice for you is to listen to the advice of Frank Kermit. Type in his name into a search and start listening to the advice he gives. It will give you a much greater understanding of women, how they think, and what they want from men. Women are not A to B thinkers like men are. That's why so many women wind up dating and marrying losers who beat them. What if you could have the same appeal to a woman as an abusive man has without being an abuser? Check out the material.
-Review by ksnake10
A Review of How the Emotional Needs Analysis system prevented a mass shooting
During some of my worst years in high school, I planned out scenarios to go down in history in a blaze of gunfire somewhere like my school, taking as many women with me as I could who rejected me. Even during college I questioned doing the same. If I had not discovered (Frank Kermit's Emotional Needs Analysis material), I may have done just that and shot a group of women I did not know.
Before I started studying with Frank (direct coaching for having confidence and reading the emotional needs material), I remember just feeling a lot of low self worth at that time, and even after having had sex a few times it was still something that floated around. I had a lot more anger towards women back then, and I think a lot of it was just my own self-hatred really coming out and being misdirected at hating women.
I feel like the Emotional Needs Analysis coaching system helped me realize what was actually going through the heads of women, and understood why they were rejecting me. I couldn't be so resentful towards women anymore when I could understand their perspective, and how they were looking at the world. When I would be rejected before I would often feel like women as a whole were at fault. After the Emotional Needs Analysis I understood that I was the one who was turning them off.
I traded in my anger so I could date multiple women at the same time, and have experienced a lifestyle that back then I could only dream of. Today I am in an open relationship with a hot goth girl who is perfect for me. She adores me and she likes to have sex with women as much as I do. I never thought this would be my real life now.
Thank You Frank! I bet you saved a lot more lives that you think.
-Review from Clyde, former MGTOW INCEL
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Picked up your Emotional Needs Analysis material, it's awesome. Your work specifically inspired me to apply to a Masters of Science for Marriage and Family Therapy program and hopefully go on to my Doctorate after. I feel like men at least in Western culture go largely underrepresented. I may show people your Emotional Needs Analysis on MEN and WOMEN in class once I get to that point. I literally just sent in my application. Thank you so much!
-Review by Cyrus A.,
I have read "Everything Out Of Her Mouth Is A Test" twice. The profound observations in this eBook reveal some universal truths: particularly on the issue of assertiveness in relationships, and knowing who you are. Your ‘Mother-Lover Theory’ is simply brilliant!
The essential heart of your book on how to address the 10 Emotional Needs of women is a great working manual to help me better understand my relationships. I don't have to wonder what the heck I have been doing wrong now that I can implement your insights and advice.
‘Everything Out Of Her Mouth Is a Test’ has been a real eye opener for me. Like the proverbial doctor who removes cataracts so the patient can see better, your book removed some of my cataracts which were clouding my undesirable behaviours. Now I can see what is really happening in my relationships, or lack thereof due to my dysfunctional behavior and beliefs.
I can now become a better MAN because of my greater awareness, new attitude and ACTIONS.
-Review by Perry M.,
Frank will change your life. Period. When I started counseling with Frank, I can honestly say I did not know what to expect. I have tried many venues of counseling and coaching through all kinds of teachers, and spent lots of money on the so-called “boot camps” and even on the self-proclaimed dating experts in Canada and the United States. Without any reservation, I confidently say that even one hour with Frank was the most illuminating and enlightening.
Frank understands the psychology of Love to its deepest essence. He shares with you his philosophy and methodology from his vast experience and time studying human behavior, not in mere pickup and seduction, but in truly understanding what a successful relationship is. His tough love teaching style helped me understand every sticking point in my approach to romance.
Yes, he will break you down but then build you right back up effectively, starting from first hour of chatting with him. He truly digs deep into your own psychology and helps you understand yourself and why you behave in such a way that may sabotage a new love, a relationship, or even a failing marriage. And the reality of it all, is that it all starts with self-awareness and knowledge. From there, all else falls in place easily.
His ‘Emotional-Needs’ theory is right on target.
All you need is a notebook, a pen, and an open mind. Spending time with Frank for me was simply an invaluable epiphany in understanding myself and in approaching and treating women, in the most natural attractive and effective way, without fancy pickup lines and ridiculous so-called “Tricks”.
If you are struggling with dating, finding a girlfriend, holding on to the love of your life, or even your marriage is falling apart, he WILL HELP YOU.
He changed my life and undoubtedly I guarantee he will change yours. Trust him and keep an open mind!
-Review by Max L., M.D.
Toronto Ontario Canada
I was referred by my sex therapist to get coaching with Frank. My goal was to improve my social and emotional skills that would allow me to connect more intimately with women. Five months later, I feel my life is getting back on track. The fact that I understand better the emotional needs of women. The fact that I can understand the emotional needs of men, I can now categorize women better in my life. After listening to his audio programs and reading a lot of his books, I realize that he is the true professor when it comes to dating and relationships; in fact I consider him a doctorate of life experiences who has explored every possible angle when it comes to women and relationships. I strongly encourage men and women of all ages and backgrounds to try his coaching. He is the real deal and a proper mentor that will properly guide you to better relationship fulfillment.
– Anonymous male student
I highly recommend Frank's personalized coaching. His emotional needs analysis theories are sound and testable. His style is direct and brutally honest without being judgmental. His insight and knowledge are truly a gift to the world. The results speak for themselves.
I have learned to communicate and connect with women in a much more meaningful way. I have a confidence now that cannot be shaken. Feelings of anger and frustration have dissolved. Franks coaching has taken me from a painful breakup to sexual abundance in a matter of weeks.
He has taught me how to think about relationships in a way that works. I cannot say that about any other material or methods I have studied.
"How FrankTalks Changed My Life" by Neal L.
The following is an excerpt from my development journal, my thoughts just after my first time having sex since studying the Emotional Needs Theories related products:
It was about one year ago that I heard Frank talk about his emotional needs theory as guest speaker at a local self help group meeting. That was when I thought this was what I wanted to learn. It makes the most sense to me, it handles the situations that I could not explain that I went through before, and if Frank is considered an expert given the way Frank looks, there must be some truth into his teachings.
Without his personal stories and explanation of how it worked for him, I may not have studied the Emotional Needs. It's been one year, a full circle from being introducing to the theories and my first time sex studying Frank's material and to know that it does work for me. This may sound like a long time, but for me the things I've learned have applied in so many situations where other people have found difficulty, is worth the time spent figuring out.
I've heard guys say I'm still working on transitioning, or comfort, or escalation; and they started this before I started my development and they're still doing the same things with the same problems. While I'm not a master at these things, I found what has worked for me and moved on to other parts of the attraction process to get myself to where I want to be.
Thank you, Frank. I never thought I'd get to this point on some skilled level instead of fully on luck. Frankisms has worked so well for me to give me that quick reminder what is the right thing to do, what is the best thing to do, this of course understanding the deeper meaning and applications of your words.
I want to say that Frank Kermit is by far the best relationship coach I have seen on the web. Most dating coaches give you tricks on how to get a quick sex, but Frank covers all the things that I think we need to know to make real relationships work and how to transform ourselves into men that women really find attractive. In contrast to other dating coaches, attractiveness of men is often a gimmick, but Frank opts for the needed personality transformation that is really the root of most of our problems in dating.
I was extremely clueless about what girls found attractive, what they expected from their boyfriends, and why they behaved in such weird ways. Now, after spending a lot of time with Frank, the road map to understanding women is extremely logical (though not without practice). Everything makes sense now. All the answers to questions, half-truths passed down to me, and seemingly unrelated facts, can be woven into coherent theories for practical implementation (Frank's Emotional Needs Analysis). I really know what to do and other women see it also how much I've changed. So much of that change came from discussions with Frank.
Also, Frank is very friendly, patient, and easy to work with. He answers your emails. He will quickly get you off bad habits and ideas and steer you to better ones. Frank Kermit indeed saved me many years of my life. It would have taken years for me to do half as much on my own.
-L. D., Ontario
This is Butch G writing to give thanks & praise for Frank's help. Using his Emotional Needs and reading his past books From Loser to Seducer is a Godsend. I highly recommend every male out there get on board with his stuff while it's still out there. He also helped me with an online challenge with an woman that wasn't sure if she wanted to move forward with me or not.
She said she was thinking of telling me that we should just be friends. Using what I learned from Frank and his emotional needs, she and I are now secret friends-with-benefits. She calls me her "practice guy"! Frank really helped me to stay involved with her when others would probably have given up at that point. His personal help is really invaluable and the insight he has is golden. I look forward to staying in touch in the future.
Take care guys.
-Review by Butch G,
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Just over a year ago today I emailed you with my predicament; I did not get a chance to thank you because for a long time I was in a very dark place. My girlfriend of 5 years left me. I always remember the lesson you once taught me: “you failed because you fail to consider the consequences of your actions.” While I already knew nothing good can come of what I’ve done, it still hurt a lot. I think it hurt me that I hurt her so deeply.
So for the next three months it was a time of reflection. I remember being in this place before. Going through the coaching workbook I'm a Man, That's My Job and the Emotional Needs Analysis materials some how kept me busy and brought back some sense of mental sanity.
I continue to try to call her, text, emailed her here and there for almost a month after she ran out. I knew it was over. She did not have to say it. I just wanted to see how she was doing and as much as I missed her… I knew I messed up and she deserves better.
About two weeks after new year I received a text from her. “do you have time to meet up?” I seriously did not expect that … or for her to ever contact me again. It’s a new year and maybe she wanted to start new and put the pass behind us. Either way I knew I had to meet her so we met up for a coffee.
It was great to see her after all these months; she looked the same. I told her she can ask me anything she wanted and I do my best to answer her. The first thing she asked me was: “Does anyone else know about this?” I was thinking; Ok definitely Emotional Needs #1.
She continued on. She wanted to know what I was doing now – I told her self – reflection. I just told her straight up. As a man, there are certain emotional needs that we have. I don’t think my way of satisfying these emotional needs was not the right way to go, but none the less the emotional needs are there. I knew in my mind after doing more Emotional Needs Analysis homework, that I just neglected my own needs focusing on handling her sexuality.
So a long story short, we are talking again. All I can think right now is emotional needs. She went out and met other guys, they did not meet her emotional needs. I violated some of her emotional needs for sure. However, I must have addressed enough emotional needs for her to come back in my life. We are taking things slowly now. We have not put a label on what we are. She stays over from time to time.
I guess what I am trying to say Frank is thank you. Thank you again for what you have taught me. I am forever grateful.
-Review from your student, Heyzeus,
I want to write an honest review of Frank Kermit’s (franktalks.com) material here.
I see a lot of material on the ol’ interweb and most of it is a just a variation on coaches teaching other coaches material, all the same based on common knowledge, but ask yourself, what is the use of common knowledge if you don’t understand the feminine mind to begin with? This was always the trouble I had. I was in my mid twenties then and I thought it was cool to learn some lines from a routine manual and try and get sex. I didn’t get sex, I wasn’t good at cold pick up, I just never understood women the way I do now.
Anyone thinking of spending $3k on a bootcamp might want to reconsider that. I spent $3k on a bootcamp and I can tell you that it was almost useless for me. If I understood women the way I do now, (using Frank's emotional needs analysis) I would have been able to improve dramatically over that weekend. I’m not bashing the bootcamp, it was magic while I was there, but afterwards I realized that I could only do the correct things while the instructor was by my side and giving me advice. When the training wheels came off I was back to my usual old self.
I can say all of this from experience. I had a 3 year long term relationship between 2010-2012. After this ended, I realized that I was back to being absolutely horrible at dating women. Why? While I was able to pickup a different girl every day for a week before my long term relationship (that was my highlight), pick up skills disappear if you don’t use it. After my the end of my long term relationship, I couldn’t get a date for months and even then it was really like throwing darts blindfolded.
I have spent just 20 hours in personal coaching with Frank, and read and listened to a lot of his work. I own almost everything he has produced.
In those 20 hours, I went from hardly getting a date to sleeping with 5 different women in a month, 4 of those became regulars, even one who had previously rejected me because she knew that I just wanted a casual sexual relationship, and after she told me that she would never sleep with someone with my nationality. Frank taught me why a girl left me even though she was falling in love with me and the sex was great. Frank taught me how to select a partner who is right for me and how to evaluate them properly. Frank taught me about relationship commitment and Frank taught me the difference.
Right now, I have a wonderful partner and I owe my current relationship completely to Frank.
Of course, these accolades aren’t going to sit well with the young guys who just wanna get sex. Well, in a group session when I was visiting in Canada, I have seen Frank explain to a woman why some men can’t accept monogamy, helped her explore her own sexuality (because she was bi-curious, but she didn’t know it) so that she actively wanted a threesome with another woman. This he did in two hours! So, if you think your dating coach is good, throw him that challenge and see how well he does.
You should study everything Frank Kermit teaches. He is the best expert on women in the whole wide world, and I know because I know everything he teaches.
-Review by Anon
Review that came in from a listener of a media appearance of StreetSmartDating Podcast:
First of all, can I thank you for introducing me to Frank. I listened to your lengthily interview with him & I was completely amazed! First I loved the appeal of a guy hitting rock bottom only to rise up to the top of the ranks and redeem himself (A hero if you will).
The other thing I noticed was the way Frank portrayed himself it was not his look’s that got him the women he has today but rather his character in its entirety.
His approach to women is unique & that appealed to me. Sure some guys can be cheeky, charming and a bit cocky but Frank broke things down to a much deeper level I could relate to. Women are emotional creatures & Frank addresses emotional needs of women in what he calls the Emotional Needs Analysis is a very important aspect of his teachings.
I would highly recommend to any one No Matter what your situation is regarding women check out Frank Kermit.
-Review by Joseph Trimble
Dublin , Ireland
I joined this journey in April after reading The Game by Neil Strauss. I am 43 years old, and have struggled with relationships all my life. I definitely am a recovering frustrated chump. I have been working on myself since April. I have received coaching from various companies, and purchased several books, including those by Frank Kermit. My dating has improved substantially since April, and I am in sight of my goals. I am now approaching women and getting dates on a regular basis. I have also been in a non-committed sexual relationship for about 2 months.
Since joining in April I have seen the best and the worst of what the dating industry has to offer. I have recently become familiar with Frank Kermit’s work after reading “Everything Out of Her Mouth is a Test”. This book contains amazing insights and has changed forever my views on women and my role as a man. Unlike most products offered by the other dating coaches, this book gets to the core issue, which is how to address a woman’s emotional needs. Although the routines and tactics taught by other coaches can sometimes be useful, this book will help you to interpret why those routines and tactics work. His writing style is clear and concise, and sprinkled with plenty of wit. It is a pleasure to read.
Franks insights are helping in my current relationship. I no longer get bewildered when she “acts up” as I have in past relationships. I now attempt to address her emotional needs on a consistent basis, and don’t get as frustrated. For example, this particular woman has a tendency to go on and on about her pending divorce. I’ve set boundaries around “NOT being her therapist”, and when she does go on and on, I just give her a big hug and tell her “it will be OK”. This addresses her emotional needs. By telling her that I don’t want to be her therapist, I also address her emotional need of being honest with her.
I am a busy executive and do not read as much as I should. Truth be told, I have a short attention span and get bored with books quite easily. However Frank Kermit's book is compelling and I could not put it down. From the first few pages I felt this guy is onto something. Frank will be the first to admit that he does not know if his theories are true. All he knows is that they work for him, and may work for others. I have been field testing some of his theories on emotional needs and so far I can tell you they have worked for me in terms of getting and maintaining attraction and cooperation.
-Review by F. I.
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Another interesting antidote.
My buddy "Tim" and I were listening to a radio show about why a person didn't get a follow up date.
Today's caller was a lady asking about her love life. She went out with a nice guy that took her to a carnival on the 1st date and paid for everything. She never returned his calls. Her excuse was they took a picture together that showed what their future baby would look like and it was ugly. She claimed it was 90% accurate based on science (which is complete bull).
After hearing her talk a few minutes I said to Tim, that she lied about the reason and she is likely getting back with her ex.
If the nice guy she dated called her out on it when she gave him that bull excuse, like I did, she probably would have gone on a second date (assertiveness and honesty) but he was too afraid to be honest.
Tim actually believed her! It made me laugh hard and he got a little upset with me.
He has never been right on any of the date followups and I have about 75-80% record of predicting what happened and why it occurred because of Emotional Needs Analysis (ENA) system.
It's fun practice and the other guys can never figure it out.
Alaska, United States of America
This is a review on Frank Kermit and Franktalks.com material vs. Neil Strauss Stylelife Academy. This is a review of both material for anyone who is wishing to purchase coaching related material. This is a review for anyone who has doubts about Frank Kermit’s material or Stylelife Academy.
I was always taught to give credit where credit is due and it has taken me quite awhile to do so. It is not something that I can explain easily as you have had to experience my journey....
Frank's Material I own:
* I’m a man, that’s my job
* Everything out of her mouth is a test
* Emotional Needs Workbooks
* How to date multiple women honestly program
Stylelife Academy Material I own:
* Was a subscription member from March 2007 to December 2007
* Own a copy of ‘The Game’
* Own a copy of ‘Rules of the Game’
How it all started (my personal journey):
It has taken a considerable amount of reflection to be able to write this review and I am not quite sure where to begin. It started a few years ago in college. Throughout College (and prior in High School), I had several female friends but that was the extend of it.... “let’s just be friends” friends. After graduating (a 85% female population) college, I moved to Toronto for a job.
I quickly got into the habit of
a) playing on the computer World of Warcraft,
b) sleeping or
c) watching TV with every once and awhile emerging to buy food or go to work.
I was beginning to become very alienated, shy and a very depressed person. I found myself often yelling and argumentative with friends and family about anything to do with relationships. 'Why are you still single?' 'You should meet a nice girl and settle down!'. I am normally not an easily angered individual, however I was becoming one and very depressed as well.
I decided, “I will meet new people” and what better way to do this then at a club! I bought a cool shirt, a suit-jacket, and a cool pair of pants. I headed to the most expensive “young professional with lots of money” club in Toronto hoping to attract young, very intelligent and gorgeous women. Well, I got my wish. At the club, there were a group of girls who commented in the lineup on my height and how I was “really cute, and really tall”. I barely managed to say, "talk to you once we get into the club" and proceeded to pretend to be cool while being scared whit-less at the fact of talking to beautiful gorgeous women. I simply did not have the social skills with women to know how to handle the situation and did not go back for a very long time. Went home, hid the book (as I was embarrassed at the fact of reading it in the first place) and felt completely stupid for even attempting something like that. Several months later, I received information (from where I purchased the book) for 'Stylelife Academy'. I'm not sure why, but I signed up.
The Stylelife Academy was announced May 31st, 2007 and shortly after I signed up. Stylelife (for short) was a portal where participants of the academy would login, and accept daily missions. These missions were anything ranging from Call a CEO to plan a dinner for 30 people. Also, based on your progress you were eligible to win prizes such as a weekend with Hypnotica (Rapustin from ‘The Game’) or signed copies of books, ties, and other seduction related material.
Also within the portal, was a message board. You had the ability to chat with members of the academy, coaches (and sometimes Neil Strauss himself) or could post questions on the forum/message board area.
Stylelife Academy: The Good
I posted a journal on the message board, and participated in the chats for the entire 4 months membership I endured. This helped me to go back and to reevaluate what I might have done wrong and I did see a small amount of improvement from doing the challenges.
Stylelife Academy: The Bad
It’s expensive monthly fee is not worth what you get in return. The daily challenges repeat themselves. For example, one day might be ‘Meet your neighbour’, then next ‘Meet a stranger’, followed by ‘Meet the president of a company’. On top of this, the book that was heavily promoted to the participants of the academy (The Rules of the Game) contained many of the same challenges. It was when I realized the $100/month I had been paying for daily challenges, I could have received the same thing for $29.
As for the message board, I rarely received a reply (unless I private messaged) from a coach. It mostly was outlandish responses to ignore her resistance, throw her on the bed and have sex with her right then and there (to a girl I had just met) or to ignore her when she called (as I needed to pretend I was busy), or to protest against Valentines day as its just a cash grab. As for the other participants, I rarely took them seriously. Stories of extreme sex stories (some of which would have been illegal... if they were actually real). If they were real, I didn't not want to know them, and if they were made up, how could I receive advice from them?
Stylelife Academy made relationships sound like a complicated rocket science formula where you have to
a) dress pimp,
b) talk like you are way too ghetto for your shirt and
c) woo her by eliciting values from your women pivots that didn’t exist or using a crazy magic trick.
Enter Frank Kermit
In December of 2007, I cancelled my subscription to the Academy. I somehow came across Frank Kermit’s social media page. After sending Frank several messages via social media, I worked up the courage to join his support group and it was then when I started reading and enjoying his material.
Frank Kermit: The Good
Emotional Needs?! At first, this was something I had no idea existed. I knew women were emotional, but having emotional needs completely blew my mind and this may have been 90% of my problem. I was giving women emotions, but not fulfilling them. Or, I was giving them all the same of one emotion (happiness) and then wondering why there was so much drama in the relationship.
Most of Frank’s material deals with starting, maintaining and being in a relationship. This is something I wanted and I had not seen from any other related material. Frank’s material is a lot simpler and makes more common sense. You have a fairly interesting girl and you want to know more about her. You walk up, say ‘Hi! My Name is X’ and proceed to talk to her all while addressing emotional needs and demonstrating you are a great man (as that’s your job).
The man is a genius! Compared to where I started only a year ago, I have had several relations with several women. I walk into a club, women approach me and I'm no longer a babbling brook of nonsense. Women love me, call me, want to be with me and well.... life is great. I owe all my success to simply addressing emotional needs, being an interesting guy women want to know, and by enjoying being me.
There is a lot of work in practicing the material. It does take a lot of practicing to understand the emotional needs and why I purchased the emotional needs workbook. However, I did see results immediately.
Frank Kermit: The Bad
There isn’t anything I can say bad about his material or Frank.
Level of Realism
Frank's material is very easy to follow but takes practice. The material comes from his own story, struggle and battle with seducing women. I can relate as we share a very similar background.
Academy material is based on a novel... a story. I often wondered if I had to have a large mansion, a ‘project Toronto’ in order to gain the level of success Neil Strauss did.
Neil Strauss teaches you some calibration techniques but mostly one routine fits all. Palmistry, The Cube, Three Blind Mice, etc ....
Frank's material has instructed me to figure out who I was as an individual, what I wanted and test and calibrate to figure out if she matched my criteria all while addressing her emotional needs.
Neil Strauss teaches one specific type of behaviour and expects you to believe all women will react to it.
Frank teaches it is better to know who you are, and what you want (your criteria) and this has provided me with a world of success, relationships and casual sex.
Since Christmas, I have spent and enjoyed every major holiday with someone special. I now have a great social circle of friends (from his social circle building seminar), better relationship with family, and from his coaching workbook for men, it's great being me.
-Review by Jack Razors,
Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
This is a review on Frank Kermit Franktalks.com material vs. Erik "Mystery" Von Markovik Mystery Method / Love Systems material. This is a review for anyone who is deciding whether to purchase Frank’s material or Mystery’s material. This is a review for anyone who has doubts of Frank’s material or Mystery’s material.
THIS IS A REVIEW: MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH BOTH MATERIALS
AND A REVIEW SUMMARY OF THE TWO MATERIALS UNDER SUB-TOPICS
Frank’s material I have studied:
- I’m a Man, That’s My job
- Everything Out of Her Mouth is a TEST
- From Loser to Seducer Autobiography
- The Emotional Needs Analysis Workbook
Mystery’s material I have studied:
- The Mystery Method: How to Put beautiful women under your spell
- The Mystery Method: How to get beautiful women into bed
- Mystery’s Magnum Opus: The Mind of Mystery
MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH BOTH MATERIALS
At the beginning of my pick-up development, I had loads of approach anxiety (which I still do at times), and whenever I failed to approach when I was given an opportunity to do so, Mystery’s words would ring in my head: “your genes would be weeded out of existence…”. At the end of the day, I would go home thinking I just went through another day without sex, and one more day closer towards my death. I only have about 28,000 days to live and I’ve already spent almost a quarter of those days being an average frustrated chump.
I used to have a female friend whom I was very close with. She understood that I wanted to be a pick-up artist, pick up a girl, and have a relationship with a girl. I wasn’t very experienced with going to clubs, lounges, or bars at all until I met my female friend. She would be my wing and also because she had many social circles of her own, I had the opportunity to met a lot of women through her. When I started to apply what I learned through Mystery Method in the clubbing environment, I not only had a female wing of mine but she would also regularly bring a bunch of her female friends when we go clubbing. A regular club night was 3 girls and I. Talk about off the charts! At this stage of my pick-up development, I was out clubbing or partying at least 3 days a week, and this went on for about 3 months (September~ December).
Mystery Method taught me many useful things such as the fundamentals of social dynamics and the understanding of courtship. I’m quite analytical and every time when I’m interacting with a women in a night club, I would always keep in mind which stage of courtship I was in with her and focus on moving on to the next stage. I didn’t get much results though I did learn how it works; I learned how people interact with each other. I reached a point in my mystery method development where I got a loan and bought Mystery Method’s Magnum Opus. I was a university student then and placed a huge extra financial burden on my shoulders. Here I am trying to fix my love life but there goes financial part of my life! I was in a state where I would do anything to get the sex and relationship that I wanted, even going broke as a student for the next few years.
The day Mystery’s Magnum Opus came in my mail, I was quite delighted, thinking the day of my salvation has came! I immediately popped it in my dvd player and vigorously studied the material. When I was half way done the DVDs, I felt truly jipped for my money because most of the stuff taught in Mystery’s Magnum Opus were basically a lot of fundamentals taught in his books! I felt it was the end of the world because the ultimate materials from the ultimate pickup guy couldn’t save the sex-less virgin life I was living.
I then came across Frank’s material. I was VERY skeptical of Frank’s material because of all the mystery knowledge and experience applying them in my head. I was thinking: “who the heck is this nameless guru? I never even heard of him!” pshh… At that point, I just didn’t give a damn about any of that. All I gave a damn about was what would work for me to get sex. I studied Frank’s material and started to apply it in real life.
Upon reading frank's book: Everything Out of Her Mouth Is Test, I was very surprised of all the insight Frank had and I easily connected with every paragraph he wrote. By the time I was done reading that book, there wasn’t a page without half the page highlighted. I began to solely test out frank’s emotional need theory and solely used his material to see if I was better off with just that. I began to get second dates and without success, I still had countless screw ups with every second dates I had for many consecutive months. I actually started to learn from my mistakes! Mystery method doesn't teach you how to learn from your mistakes in pick-up, but Frank's material does. How? Well, At the end of a sarge, second date, or failing to overcome what was holding her back, I would then do an emotional needs analysis on it and continuously learned from the mistakes I have made. At the first few months applying Frank’s material, I slowly began learning how to STOP violating emotional needs. I soon developed a keen sense to what kind of needs a women was expression and how to address that need by communicating verbally back.
I was introduced to calibration through mystery’s magnum opus. I was taught how to micro-calibrate in certain contexts. I believe that most of what I was taught in here was not the sort of calibration I needed. I believe (my truth) that the calibration I was taught in mystery’s magnum opus was how to calibrate when applying the push-pull theory and how to tell if she is ready for a kiss, further escalation.
What I learned from Frank’s Calibration material not only allowed me to calibrate to the external responses of a women or social context, but also calibrate to my perceived status. I soon learned from Frank’s material that I come off as a high value male for the way I look and dress. This introduced me to Frank’s material on how to behave towards another due to a perceived status as a high value male (or low value male).
I was a point in my development where I was able to pick up on the tests and the emotional needs a girl would be expression on the spot and respond accordingly to address that particular emotional need/needs. This new sense I developed was because I have done all the exercises in Frank’s book: The Emotional Needs Analysis Workbook. After working through the book once, I slowly began to develop a new mental sonar in my head that could interpret a women’s behaviour and words into what she was really trying to test me for.
Mystery Method explained to me the importance how to pick-up a girl in a clubbing environment, but the vibe I gave off and the way I behaved wasn’t congruent with what I said, how I said it, and what I did in the club. I was a kid with my a bunch of new techniques I wanted to fully experiment with. I was a kid who enjoyed the plentiful drama of being a pick-up artist would give. I was living in my own fantasy land that I just didn’t want to face reality.
One thing that I must mention is Frank’s book: I’m A Man, That’s My job (if not all his books) keeps everything realistic. I had the emotional needs of a woman, and had many inner demons I had to face due to my personal past. Frank’s coaching workbook for men book kept me in reality and worked out what I had to do as a man. It not only solidified my behaviours and my identity, but also gave me a huge amount of personal information to work with when I’m in a set trying to pick up a women.
There was a stage of my development where I had to undo all the damage that mystery method has done to me with it's philosophies. I had to unlearn a whole bunch (if not, all) of mystery method's material because it was screwing up my love life. Frank’s material helped me fix these problems that mystery method created within me. I not only can pick-up women anywhere with Frank's material, but I can also KEEP the women I picked up. Frank's material makes women makes relationships work. Pick-up is just a fragment of a relationship.
After a whole year learning and applying mystery method, I had few second dates, and no sex. After 10 months of personal development with Frank's materials, I lost my virginity, but my identity as a man has never been stronger. THIS IS PURE NON-ARGUABLE FACT.
SUMMARY OF THE TWO MATERIALS UNDER SUB-TOPICS
Level of Realism:
Frank’s material keeps things all very realistic. He gets right to the point, and doesn’t flood you with a whole bunch of definitions and terms that mystery method does. Frank’s material allows you to fully understand why she is behaving a certain way and how you can fulfill the certain need she is testing for. Mystery’s material has focus too, it concentrates on a particular type of women in a club. But your damed it your not looking for that type of women.
Mystery Method teaches you how to calibrate within the theories of push-pull and escalation. Frank’s material teaches you a model where you can calibrate to anything a women does, says, or behaves. Frank’s model takes calibration to a whole new level which not only teaches you how to calibrate to the way people perceive you, but also how to correctly calibrate to a situation anywhere (even in a nightclub as well).
Mystery Method teaches you how to behave in a certain particular way.
Frank’s material teaches you how to change your behaviours so you can behave in a way to your own uniqueness.
Learning a new skill vs. learning how to imitate:
When I was learning mystery method, it told me not to copy their techniques and stories, but the mystery method did not properly teach me how to create my own stories and invent a technique of my own that would accomplish what their techniques could accomplish. Mystery method simply told me to create my own unique stories to use. They showed me what worked for them but did not give me any tools to learn how to create stories or techniques that would work for me.
Frank’s material taught me how to create my own unique stories in detail. Frank’s material taught me the application of the theory behind techniques and how to apply them successfully into my development as a man.
Mystery's False Time Constraints vs. Frank's material
Personally, I dropped the whole false time constraints idea in my version of seduction. I see it this way: if you got plans that day, and your in a hurry, then you might as well tell her that, get her contact, try to make it as solid as possible, and go do what you have to do for the end of the day. Call her while your heading toward wherever your supposed to go if you have to. If I had to give those behaviours/actions a name, I would gladly call it TTC, which stands for: "TRUE TIME CONSTRAINTS"
My problem with Mystery's "FALSE time constraints" are that they aren't true, and if it ain't true, your lying.
Yes, your lying.
Does this ring a bell guys? Emotional Need of Women #6? Trust and honesty? ring ring?
I used to be a mystery method dude who if you must know, I slapped down a solid 2300$ for his pick-up material I'll be damned if I didn't know time constraints inside out. False time constraints may address some of her emotional needs depending on the kind of girl she is, and that is why they work to some degree. For all she knows, your some screwed up creep who is going to put her in harms way. By FTC-ing, you temporarily address her EN#7. If you say you need to get back to your friends and you only got a minute, your also saying you are a male with social connections and have a social life (EN#9). So after talking to her for a few minutes, maybe she starts to wonder why your still there and she asks why haven't you left yet. Your presence there would contradict what you have said earlier. Not only she sees the incongruity, some women might think this is a dude who is possibly a physical threat to her (EN#7), a low value dude who ditches your friends(EN#5), and she also thinks your a liar too (EN#6)! For all I know, you are lying if your using "false" time constraints!!!
One of the first things I wanted to do about my game in my early stages of development was to eliminate all my behaviours and actions that made me violate any emotional needs. That would include dropping the whole false time constraint part of my game.
This is why I don't do false time constraints anymore. Think of it this way, rather than using FTCs as a way to communicate that your time is precious (because your a high value male), just deal with the fact that she might and most likely will test you for your congruence as a high value male. I go up talking to a girl thinking she better not be a waste of my time rather than trying to falsely lie to her before she tests me for qualities of a high value male.
If you validate your "false" statements which you use to pick-up girls and incorporate FTCs into your game, it would become a habitual part of you. Next thing you know, you want a long term relationship with a girl and it doesn't work! A girl who is accustomed to your "false" statements is not going to believe one word of you, even if you do mean settling down with her. She doesn't trust you, and that is why you shouldn't incorporate FTCs into your game. When you push your development to a higher stage, you and your persona fuses closer and closer. You'll end up with habits/behaviours/instincts that validates your "false" statements, which ultimately makes you violate her EN#6 and end up with no long term relationship!!!
Ok, I understand there are guys out there who uses FTC with much success. Whatever works for you buddies, but I personally I can't see myself using it. What if I go out just to sarge in a night club all by myself, approach a girl, tell her I'm here with my friends just so I don't have to deal with her testing me for stuff like: "you came to a nightclub all by yourself?" or "you came here by yourself?"
It's a test man, a test. she wants to know whether if your like a little boy who need to be babysat everywhere you go or not. she wants to know whether SHE needs to babysit you in a relationship or not. SHE NEEDS TO KNOW WHETHER SHE CAN BE YOUR LOVER and NOT YOUR MOTHER in a relationship! Rather than dodging those tests by using a FTC, you have just passed up a very good chance to prove you can address her emotional needs and that you are indeed a high value male by passng her test! Gargh~~!
By facing and addessing her tests, I believe that it should speed up your chances in hooking up with her that night, if not an instant date by bouncing her out of the club (I can't confirm, not enough club solo sarging experience). I must admit that the first very few times I've solo sarged a club was intensely scary, and I still am scared of it. But if I had the guts to do it before, I'm willing to put myself on the line to do it again until I'm accustomed to it.
Example: this reminds me of the keys to the vip television show where Cajun (the mystery method instructor) uses a whole bunch of FTC and made his sets less than a few minutes long. Gamed as quick as he could, went for the phone#, and bailed out. for a set less than five minutes. How solid do you think his numbers were? Do you honestly want to re-game her all over again on the phone? I did a few 5 minute sets before on the TTC and I never got a day2 out of it.
If your using FTCs, you either:
A) end up bailing out of the set way too early to come off congruent with your FTC and possibly making your phone# flakey
B) come off as a liar who also violates EN#9 and EN#7.
Why leave until you have put enough effort to make the phone# solid?? Why can't we just be congruent with ourselves and the fact that are men who are trying to succeed in a particular part of our lives with women? If you think that is low value you are absolutely wrong. If it is low value to be putting so much effort to succeed in a part of your life then what do you call those guys who are too lazy or ignorant to do something about their relationship part of their lives? So if your vigorously trying to fix this part of your life, you are an individual with highly valuable time, you don't need to false time constraint anymore. That's my take on False Time Constraints.
Mystery Material: placed me in major debt that I’m still paying off a year after I purchased them.
Frank’s materials: less than half my monthly paycheck that I would have considered to be my spendable allowance.
Mystery method re-enforced my childish and womanly behaviours.
Frank’s material taught me the importance of being non-violence, the importance of being honest in my development, solidified my subjectivity, what I was looking for in a relationship in detail, and much much more that helped me become a man instead of a childish kid who feverishly dying from the drama of being a pick-up artist.
-Review by William H.,
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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